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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Mar 17 Déc - 8:50

The Irish Post, 16 décembre 2013

Rum, Sodomy and a loss – The Pogues on their Christmas return


WHEN the Pogues perform their classic 1985 album, Rum, Sodomy & the Lash, in its entirety this week over four gigs, it will be significant in that they will mark the group’s first performances since the sad death of guitarist Philip Chevron last October.
It’s fitting in a way that, in marking Chevron’s death, the band has retreated into their past and back to the period of that seminal 1985 album.
Rum, Sodomy and the Lash featured a mix of originals and standards such as Ewan MacColl’s Dirty Old Town, which the Pogues popularised for a new generation. Their vital original songs also would become standards in their own right. When accordion player James Fearnley first heard A Pair Of Brown Eyes he realised Shane MacGowan’s songwriting had shifted gear.
“Musically that song had a timeless eternal vibe,” Fearnley tells me down the line from his home in LA. “I really enjoyed the chords; it felt like there was a circular motion about the chord progression. The vocal melody was sublime and there was this instrumental section which had a real purity about it. I found that very appealing.
“Against that music you have lyrics which I found difficult to track, they were almost counter to the music and that was very exciting. He (MacGowan) would smash up an image in shards and rearrange it as a way to find the story. I love the way you have Shane as narrator and how he gets through the story of the song. There’s a jaded irony about it where he’s making light out of dismemberment and the horrors of war; I always like that about Shane’s songs-they pack an extra punch because he holds back the punch.”
The video for A Pair of Brown Eyes, directed by Alex Cox (Sid & Nancy), was said to be comment on a totalitarian government and the politics of Thatcher. While the band were political, they stayed away from writing about the Troubles in the North of Ireland directly, which were rife during the period. At the same time they were unashamedly Irish when there was open racism and a sense of “keeping your head down” because of IRA activity.
“For us in the beginning, I don’t think we were overly careful but what we were doing was just telling stories about people, most of the songs on that album were to do with individuals and how they cope with how difficult or exciting life can be… or how much you can drink,” says Fearnley.
“As far as I could see we weren’t espousing anything up until Streets of Sorrow/Birmingham Six (from If I should Fall From Grace With God). At that point it became important to espouse something and even then it was about individuals rather than a political statement. But that was one of the most political songs we ever did and I think it helped their situation and brought their ordeal into the public mind in a different way. It was also a gesture of support for people who had been banged up in prison wrongly.”
Rum, Sodomy and the Lash was produced by Elvis Costello. Fearnley’s memoir, Here Comes Everybody, is awash with absorbing anecdotes of his impact as a producer and, in particular, Shane MacGowan’s fascination with Costello’s guitar which he both coveted and loathed.
“It became a sort of vocal point for Shane,” remembers Fearnley. “It came across to me that when Elvis gave him the guitar he had Elvis where he wanted him. He (MacGowan) was conflicted about being given it – he didn’t want it to be: ‘my songwriting I bequeath to you in the form of this guitar’; it wasn’t even a great guitar, it was a crap (laughing). They were horrible looking things with plastic backs but there seemed to be some added significance to Shane being given this guitar, there was obviously some inner conflict for him in wanting to break it.
“It was a big thrill to work with Elvis,” adds Fearnley. “I had been a fan since 1977, I went to see him live around the time of My Aim Is True. I loved his stuff around that period so to have one of your heroes in the studio wanting to work with you was fantastic.”
In the early 1980s, MacGowan would gather his friends around the bars at Euston railway station before boarding the boat train to Holyhead for the ferry to Dun Laoghaire. The legendary drinking sessions served as inspiration for the album’s second single, Sally MacLennane, said Fearnley.
“I was always a little envious of Shane, it was almost this ritualistic thing where he’d get stocious and his friends would put him on the train to Ireland,” says Fearnley. “A lot from that song had also come from being a barman himself at the Great Ormond Street hospital bar. He knew about watering whiskey down from that I’m sure.”
It was on Rum, Sodomy… tour that Glasgow became a stronghold for the band, recalls Fearnley. “It’s hard to distinguish many of those nights up at Barrowlands,” he says. “The first time we played, it was palpable, the emotion in that place, it was the first really big gig that we did by ourselves playing in front of 2,000 people. I’d certainly never played in front of that many before so it felt big right from the start.
“Because of the make-up of Glasgow and the sectarian division reflected in the football teams, there was an intensity about it in any case, but for Jock Stein to have died the day before we played, it was even more so. There was often a convergence of elements and vectors in Glasgow.
“There was another time where Celtic had beaten Rangers, it was also St Patrick’s Day, you can’t ignore those convergences. I used to get a little bit scared by them. I never invested in football or the divide, I’ve always thought myself immune or maybe ignorant, it was not something I spent much time thinking about although there was a demand to think about it playing with The Pogues and getting to know Shane. I got to understanding the history as much as I could.”
A number of negative elements affected the band on tour. In West Berlin fascist skin-heads marked Hitler’s birthday by giving Nazi salutes during a small club gig. Former bass player Cait O’ Riordan confronted them but inflamed the situation. It was left for Philip Chevron to stop a riot breaking out.
“Fair play to Cait,” says Fearnley. “On a visceral level she was outraged as one should justifiably be at Nazi salutes on Hitler’s birthday at any gig, never mind ours. But she didn’t have skills that you need to pull on in those situations. Philip was a consummate performer and a people person, he was able to figure the best way of turning attention away from what those guys were up to and brought it back to what we were doing. Both desires came from the same place. I’m not going to knock Cait for what she did but Philip had the right idea to reframe things and say what was important and it worked.”
The forthcoming gigs will significantly be the first since the guitarist’s passing. For the band it’s a chance to grieve and say a final farewell.
“There is going to be a huge void on stage to not have Philip, there’s been void since he died. Thousands Are Sailing is an indispensable song for us. To play that would be my way of saying goodbye to Philip. I couldn’t come over for the funeral and I wasn’t able to go to the testimonial gig in August so I’m due some grieving basically. That song was always a way maker for some transitions in my life. I’m so eager to be able to send Philip off by playing his song, that’s what I want to do above anything else because The Pogues has been a family to me for many years.
“Philip had a great talent, he could write from such an intimate place within him. He made you feel he was writing about you. Just recently I was remixing Peace and Love with Steve Lillywhite and when we got to Lorelei we got to hear Philip’s vocal at the same time as Kirsty’s (MacColl) voice solo, it was  tear inducing for both me and Steve to hear those two voices saying we’ll never hear those again, it was a very powerful experience.”
Speaking of Kirsty MacColl, Fairytale of New York has taken on a life of its own and again will mark an emotional moment at this time when the band play it next week.
“I’m not sure that all that many people are aware of the song in the States (where Fearnley now lives),” he says. “In the UK it’s become a national institution but it operates outside the stratagem of regular Christmas songs. We hold our own beloved and contentious place elsewhere, it’s not part of the Wham and Slade type of thing; it’s elbowed its way into its own little compartment as far as Christmas songs go.
“Fairytale… is one of those indestructible type of songs; it’s weird hearing it in a shopping centre in England because the words get lost a bit and it tends to sound jollier than it is.”
There can’t be many drinking institutions around the U.K where Shane MacGowan hasn’t enjoyed a beverage while on tour, he’ll visit one of the most famous this Christmas propping up the Rovers Return while performing a restyled version of the song; Fairytale of Weatherfield when appearing in Coronation Street on December 20.
“It will be interesting to see what he does in it, I heard he’s going to appear and I’m looking forward to it. It’s weird for me because my dad used to be friends with Doris Speed who played Annie Walker the landlady at the Rovers it feels odd that Shane is in my territory of Manchester; I’m eager to see it.”
Here Comes Everybody, Fearnley’s book, doesn’t hold back from The Pogues darker times which could sometimes escalate into violence. Today the Mancunian Pogue is philosophical about run-ins with his mercurial front-man.
“I think this sounds trite but there’s truth in it that if you know people who you have went through some intense experiences with, it’s like sharing the same territory as members of a family. There are enduring relationships that I couldn’t escape even if I wanted to with some of them. I’ve had a more problematic relationship with Shane than I have with many people, it might not have been the same for Shane but I can’t speak for him (laughing).
“It’s like the bonkers, f**ked up brother that you have to try and deal with but you can’t let him go. We did in 1991 of course but they (The Pogues) are in my life whether I like it or not. The stuff we have made and invented, the success we’ve had and the things we’ve managed to get done and everything like that, it’s very bonding for better or for worse.”
Richard Purden
http://www.irishpost.co.uk/entertainment/rum-sodomy-loss-pogues-christmas-return
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MessageSujet: Manchester 15/12/2013   Mar 17 Déc - 11:04

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Quand on est dans la merde jusqu’au cou, il ne reste plus qu’à chanter.
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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Mar 17 Déc - 12:10

d'après un forum mancunien la setlist serait R,S & L
(I'm a man you don't meet everyday par Camille O'Sullivan)
+ dans le désordre
Repeal of the Licensing Laws
Streams Of WhiskEy
Thousands Are Sailing
Body Of An American
Rainy Night In Soho
Boys From The County Hell
Fairytale Of New York
Fiesta
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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Mar 17 Déc - 18:22

Excellent setlist, j'espère qu'ils referont la même s'ils passent en France.  Et malheureusement que les vidéos des "classiques" ne sont pour l'instant disponible sur Youtube(http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pogues+apollo&filters=week&lclk=week).
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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Mar 17 Déc - 21:41

Toujours bien l'Irish Post Alex...
Pour Olivier : Pareil pour moi, toujours à me cogner le bon casse burnes qui pogotte à côté de moi et qui m'asperge de bière. Le mec a les tibias bleus le lendemain ok ! par contre rien vu du concert. Je connais quelqu'un qui leur pête le nez d'un coup de tête à ces gens, je n'approuve ni ne soutient ces agissements, mais c'est un pote et avec lui c'est zone libre...Quel vieux con je fais quand même, mais quand on aime on écoute un temps soit peu, non ?
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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Mer 18 Déc - 7:33



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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Mer 18 Déc - 7:40

Herald Scotland
SReview: The Pogues, O2 Academy, Glasgow
Tuesday 17 December 2013
Lisa-Marie Ferla's verdict: Four stars
It's been years since the Barrowlands played host to The Pogues on the Glasgow stop of their traditional festive tour, but it seems as though the older venue's mythology hung over the Academy this year.
Decades of hard living mean that Shane MacGowan is even less renowned for his vocal talents than he ever was, even without the venue's muddy acoustics to contend with.
These days his voice rarely matters to a crowd that will happily bellow along with every word of the band's raucous folk-punk party anthems for the guys in the pit with their light-up Santa hats, but when even Spider Stacy's vocals sound like all he wants for Christmas is his two front teeth you know you have a problem.
To mix things up this year, the band have been performing their classic 1985 album Rum, Sodomy & the Lash in its entirety.
But what the set list lacks in surprise it makes up for in the inclusion of classics like A Pair of Brown Eyes and Dirty Old Town; in the cheeky tin whistle and stamping of feet throughout Sally MacLennane; in the way James Fearnley leaps into the air with his accordion on The Sick Bed of Cuchulainn; and, yes, in MacGowan's cracked voice as he remembers The Old Main Drag when he was "only sixteen".
Coming mere weeks after the death of one of their own, the band's performance is even more poignant.
If Phil Chevron's own Thousands Are Sailing is meant as a tribute, the announcement was lost in the mumble, but music has always spoken more loudly for The Pogues and the football fan-style chants of the guitarist's name from the crowd showed how much he was missed.
Camille O'Sullivan gamely filled in for another ghost, bringing the house - and some falling fake snow - down on a seasonal Fairytale of New York.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/arts-ents/music/review-the-pogues-o2-academy-glasgow.1387323450
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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Mer 18 Déc - 11:11

les réactions sont encore plus fortement positives après ce concert de Glasgow ...

@Olivier ; je ne fais que constater ce qui se dit sur twitter ou facebook, pas seulement sur un forum de fans où les commentaires sont plus bienveillants, quoique ...
en tout cas, je n'ai pas encore lu quelqu'un qui avoue s'être endormi !   Mad
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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Mer 18 Déc - 15:46

Alex a écrit:



Ah ouais c'était l'original de RSL, ça fait que 20 chansons(24 à l'Olympia).

Et une vidéo rescapée de Dirty old town and fairytale à Glasgow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ASNcYbuInI (petit bout de I'm a man you don't meet everyday
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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Jeu 19 Déc - 16:46

Ils auraient dû remettre les bicornes, le cache-oeil et les galons pour l'occasion ça aurait été "fun".

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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Jeu 19 Déc - 16:57

Ah ouais  pirat 

Celle de MacGowan est dans quel Hard Rock café ?
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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Jeu 19 Déc - 18:39

@Alex, oui.

J'espère qu'ils ne vont pas remettre Tuesday Morning dans la setlist de ce soir...
Je serais content si ils décidaient de virer Wild Cats... et I'm A Man... C'est sans interêt si Cait n'est pas là. Sinon il manque Lullaby Of London...
Promis, j'arrête de râler.
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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Jeu 19 Déc - 19:48

Bon concert à toi. Et ce serait cool si tu pouvais enregistrer une musique qu'il joue pas souvent(billy's bones/gentleman?) histoire de sortir de Dirty old town & fairytale.
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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Ven 20 Déc - 1:31

Bon ! Par où commencer ! La setlist est là même que pour les deux précédents concerts. Le morceau que j'ai préféré de toute la soirée est... I'm A Man... chantée par Camille... Elle m'agace un peu car trop théatrale mais elle chante bien la garce. C'était déjà elle l'année dernière à l'02 je crois. Sinon le guitariste est bon et j'ai apprécié que l'on entende enfin la guitare ! On l'entendait très peu avec Chevron. Non ? Là maintenant, elle sonne clairement. Wild Cats... n'est pas indispensable. Spider a chanté Billy's Bones (bof).  Shane ne semble pas très en forme. Il marche comme un petit vieux. Soit il devient vieux, soit il était défoncé ou alors il avait chié dans son froc depuis deux semaines. Peut être les trois. Il y avait un écran devant son micro, donc j'en ai conclu que c'était un prompteur. Cela ne me dérange pas.  Il a oublié des paroles sur Boys... Je pense qu'il n'allait pas très bien ce soir. Y'a un truc qui ne trompe pas, c'est lorsque les autres musiciens viennent le soutenir vocalement... C'est un signe... Il n'était pas mauvais (j'ai vu et entendu pire) mais moins bon que l'année dernière. Pour être honnête, je dois dire que j'ai trouvé qu'il s'améliorait au fil du concert.
J'ai bien aimé ANTBPWM et Gentleman Soldier et The Body... et A Rainy Night... et Navigator.... Bref c'était un bon concert. Le son n'était pas toujours très bon, mais j'étais au balcon alors c'est peut être une raidon. Demain je suis dans la fosse...
Darryl est tombé assis pendant le premier morceau. Il restait sur son cul sans bouger. Deux roadies sont venus à la rescousse et  c'est reparti. Par d'autres problèmes à mentionner jusqu'à la fin du concert.
Spider a une nouvelle fois cassé une guitare à la fin de Fiesta. Toujours ridicule !
J'ai filmé avec mon portable mais c'est vraiment pourri. Il faut savoir que les mecs à l'entrée de l'Academy fouillent vraiment et il est difficile de faire rentrer un appareil. Demain je tente de passer avec un plus gros appareil. Y'a un endroit qu'ils n'ont pas palpé....
Très peu de merchandising. Y'en avait plus à l'extérieur ! Et moins cher !
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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Ven 20 Déc - 7:06

Shane souffre du dos, c'est ce qu'a dit sa compagne sur son son facebook il y a quelques jours.
merci pour les nouvelles.
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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Ven 20 Déc - 7:24

J'ai vu Victoria lorsque je suis arrivé à l'Academy. Enfin je pense que c'était elle.
Un mal de dos expliquerait sa démarche.

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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Ven 20 Déc - 8:46

Merci Olivier. Moi je pense qu’il y a des titres a virer du set, perso je ne supporte plus Fiesta, Rainy et Fairy…Concernant la guitare, il est vrai que parfois je me demandais si elle était relié à un ampli. Bonne nouvelle si on l’entend bien.
Concernant l’état de Mac rien de surprenant, par contre Darryl chancelant c’est plus étonnant.
Ne te fait pas choper ton matos, car apparemment Glasgow a été copié donc sûrement bientôt partagé.
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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Ven 20 Déc - 9:22

Darryl est juste tombé... seul. J'ai du cligner des yeux à ce moment là. car je n'ai pas vu ce qui s'était passé. Il ne semblait pas imbibé. Le fait qu'il reste assis un long moment sans bouger était bizarre. Mais tout allait bien ensuite. Je raconte ces détails pour vous car moi je m'en fous.
Oui pour virer Fiesta, qui malheuresement me fait toujours penser à Sébastien... Pour A Rainy Night... je suis partagé. J'aime assez l'entendre en concert mais pas sur disque.

Il faudrait songer à venir voir les Pogues en GB. Si vous attendez qu'ils passent en France, vous risquez d'attendre longtemps. Vous n'êtes même pas certains de les revoir.

Je me suis fait confisquer mon matos une fois, à un concert des Men. J'ai failli être expulsé de la salle ! J'ai fait le roumain qui ne comprenanit pas ce qui se passait... Un des videurs à donner mon magnéto au road manager des Men. Je suis allé le récupérer à la fin du concert sous les yeux du videur !

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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Ven 20 Déc - 16:31

The Telegraph, 20 décembre 2013.

The Pogues, O2 Brixton, review
Despite absent members and Shane McGowan's lack of diction, The Pogues still created a night of hedonistic celebration, says Ben Lawrence :

Few gigs this year could have been loaded with such emotional potential as The Pogues’ Christmas tour. The recent death of singer-songwriter and guitarist Philip Chevron created a conspicuous void, the loss of Kirsty McColl – sharp-voiced collaborator on Fairytale of New York – still feels raw 13 years later and the physical state of frontman Shane McGowan creates a jittery concern for every Pogues fan. Despite all of this, the overwhelming sense of the night was one of hedonistic celebration.
McGowan shuffled on to the stage, brazenly flouting the venue’s smoking ban, and immediately captivated the audience. Although a sedentary stage figure, McGowan still manages that strange contradiction, an unaffected theatricality, and what he lacks in clear diction he makes up for with an astonishing emotional clarity.
The basis of the gig was a performance of The Pogues’ meisterwerk, 1985’s Rum, Sodomy and the Lash. This could have felt like a museum piece, a band past its prime essentially forced to relive past glories. But this wasn’t the case. It’s testimony to McGowan’s talents as a songwriter that the lyrics of songs such as A Pair of Brown Eyes (“A hungry sound came across the breeze”) still command you to listen. That literature scholarship to Westminster School was clearly well deserved.
The other potential problem is that tracks such as Dirty Old Town, a cover of Ewan McColl’s coruscating homage to the factories of Salford, might no longer feel relevant with its talk of “Shining steel tempered in the fire”. But its performance here actually appeared to reignite the spirit of the audience who swayed fervently as they listened to the injustices detailed in the song.
The band commanded a professional strength, too, and each instrument – accordion, mandolin, cittern, trombone – felt clearly delineated. Special mention must go to accordionist James Fearnley, a grizzled, leaping sprite who brought chutzpah to numbers such as The Sick Bed of Cuchulainn.
Of course, everyone was waiting for that brilliantly wonky Christmas anthem Fairytale of New York. When that time came, McGowan delivered it beautifully, the words now sounding richer as the years have passed. Covering for Kirsty McColl was an onerous task, but Camille O’Sullivan stepped bravely into the breach. She lacked the plaintive bitterness of McColl but then, the song has changed its meaning over the years. Everyone in the audience was mouthing the words with an unashamed sentimentality and as a fake snowfall descended over a waltzing McGowan and O’Sullivan, those memories of absent friends were mingled with the joyous realisation that The Pogues have lost none of their power.

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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Ven 20 Déc - 19:05

Merci à toi, vraiment dommage que ce soit Spider qui chante Billy's Bones(quoi que je doute que Shane serait arrivé à tenir le rythme de la chanson)... Après avoir écouté quelques musiques sur Youtube, j'ai l'impression(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_wj7T40-oc) j'ai l'impression que la voie de Shane est encore moins audible que l'année dernière, donc effectivement il doit être pas bien mais ça reste pas mal.
Bon concert demain, j'espère que t'arriveras à passer l'appareil pour qu'on puisse entendre un truc potable.
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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Ven 20 Déc - 22:45

Étonnant l'espace entre le public et les musiciens sur la vidéo (augmenté du couloir videurs/photographes).

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J'mouque min blair et j'armonte mes queuchettes! (je mouche mon nez et je remonte mes chaussettes).
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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Sam 21 Déc - 2:50

http://youtu.be/6uXG_xOgOa8

La qualitè n'est pas terrible. Si seulement je pouvais passer le camescope...

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MessageSujet: Re: UK Tour décembre 2013   Sam 21 Déc - 4:36

A la trompette ça le fait aussi ce morceau et apparemment pas trop mal réussi au chant. Bien l'éclairage DCA en fond de scène.
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